I have no desire or convenient place for a subwoof, if that's a factor.) But! The only bad audio system, is the one you don't enjoy to the fullest. I'm not a bass head, but I don't want to feel like the bass is weak, thin, or thuddy, and I read some consumer reviews by people who were dissatisfied (edit: with the R-41PMs) or that account. Was doing some research on good PC speakers and the R-15PM came up quite a bit as good speakers for the price. Regallautsprecher mit 2-Wege-System; 146 mm × 287 mm × 200 mm (H × B × T) Gesamtgewicht von 3,2 kg; Regallautsprecher. Shoutout to u/ctfrommn, u/polypeptide147 and u/sharkamino for their regularly provided and thoughtful information. u/Slayer95xx, I don't know how deep your loyalty to Klipsch runs, but do you have any knowledge or opinion on the Kanto YU6s? My audiophile friends are split, but none of them have heard either. Got a warranty issue? While searching I found there are newer versions called R-51PM and R-41PM. Ein 13,3 cm Tiefmitteltöner mit Klipsch-spezifischer kupferbeschichteter Membran ergänzt das Sortiment. Probably. Though they apparently dynamically boost the low end as the volume goes down, the low end frequency response on them is 76hz (vz 45hz for the Three unit). Klipsch® Certified Factory Refurbished audio products have been tested, inspected and approved for sale by a Klipsch quality assurance professional. But it'll likely take me at least another 1.5 weeks before I'm comfortable knowing enough to commit to the passive setup. I can make either work in the room (16' x 18' room). Die R-41PM-Aktivlautsprecher sind für den Anschluss an jede virtuelle Quelle ausgelegt, ohne dass ein A / V-Receiver benötigt wird. I imagine that's gotta be related to the diaphragm being 37% larger, plus I guess also the two passive radiators. Or did you read reviews and decide that their sound signature is what you want? The R-41PM is the exact height of a shelf (which is very satisfying— things fitting into other things) and the back will be 1" from the masonry wall; I could upgrade to the R-51PMs and put them on their side, but I'd prefer not to give up 26" of shelf space, I think. I found this sub and have been absorbing as much as I could for the past 1.5 weeks. https://www.snapav.com/shop/en/snapav/episode-reg%3B-evolution-series-powered-subwoofer, https://www.volutone.com/EPISODE-EVOLUTION-SERIES-6-SEALED-SUB-W240W-AMP-GW-P27019.aspx, https://www.amazon.com/Kanto-6-inch-Powered-Subwoofer-Matte/dp/B076FJ4LM6, https://www.amazon.com/Acoustic-Audio-PSW-6-Powered-Subwoofer/dp/B00KGA6A8A/, https://www.amazon.com/Fostex-USA-PM-SUBMINI-2-Auto-Standby-SUB-Mini-2/dp/B01KODPRQO, https://www.fostexinternational.com/docs/archive_products/PM-SUBmini.shtml. Thanks again for your help! Do you want more bass and convenience in one single unit: get the Three. (The monitors a little taller, but they take up the same shelf footprint. I am glad i decided to keep these over its smaller counterpart.. these have more lower end and blend better with the klipsch powered 10" sub. Hi everyone, currently the R-41PMs and the Three II are priced identically. With integrated phono pre-amp, Bluetooth® wireless technology, digital optical, analog RCA and USB inputs, you can finally say goodbye to your clunky A/V receiver. Die Aktivlautsprecher R-41PM lassen sich an jede Audioquelle anschließen, und das ganz ohne A/V-Receiver. [–]adamzero12[S] 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago* (3 children). Some of the reviews I've read said the bass response was anemic on the R41PMs, and you should really have a sub. And I am not an engineer or real audiophile and my ears are nothing special. It's got a 5.25" driver and wider frequency response than the PM-41s and might let me avoid buying a sub. In unserem Hause wird großes Augenmerk auf die pedantische Betrachtung des Vergleiches gelegt und das Produkt am Ende mit der finalen Note versehen. Looking for a bookshelf speaker setup, for a small bedroom, somewhere $350ish or below. And polypeptide recommended an amp that provides 20W, and apparently 12W at the 8ohm resistance, which is the resistance of the Klipsch R-15M. They sound really gorgeous. I'm glad to hear you like the sound of the Three! With integrated phono pre-amp, Bluetooth® wireless technology, digital optical, analog RCA and USB inputs, you can finally say goodbye to your clunky A/V receiver. But I think I'm going to get the monitors and spring for a sub. Do you want more of a stereo set up that has a wider sound, maybe a bit less convenient and and are cool with the size: get the R-41PM. I mean, it's not good. But in a lot of cases it does. Versandt wird er gemeinsam mit einer Lautsprecherabdeckung, Gummifüßen, einem Lautsprecherkabel, einer … Since my office space was intended for background listening, the three won out. I haven't been able to find anyone who has done a teardown of the Three to discover what its drivers and woofer look like. I do see as a lifestyle question instead of a technical one, though. New owner of a pair of TheFives - how do I determine firmware version? Edit: the only other idea I've had, that I just became aware of, was considering the Kanto YU6, without a sub. With integrated phono pre-amp, Bluetooth® wireless technology, digital optical, analog RCA and USB inputs, you can finally say goodbye to your clunky A/V receiver. Utterly paralyzed by decision fatigue but thanks for all your help! Mit dem R-41PM hat Klipsch einen 2.0-Stereo-Regallautsprecher auf den Markt gebracht. 50W? Are you based in the US? On sale 5.25" RP-150M (Cherry) $289 or 6.5" RP-160M (Ebony) $349. (or other companies owned by Klipsch). They've got a 5.25" driver and a 1" dome tweeter with a claimed 50Hz-20kHz frequency response, but are two inches shorter than the R-51PMs. 12W? I've found a store today that has both out on the floor and I'm gonna go down there tomorrow and do an A/B listening test. Let us know what you think and ultimately what you end up picking. There are designed and built as sound quality first with the electronic added in later. How would I go about having my The Fives reveneered in a different kind of wood? I played with EQ a bit too to see if I could compensate. Typisch für Klipsch-Boxen, arbeitet auch in der R-15PM ein Aluminium-Hochtöner (2,54 cm) mit Tractrix-Hornvorsatz. Klipsch kept the popular cabinet size for each of the models (R-41PM: 9.75" x 5.88" x 7.5" and R-51PM: 13.3" x 7" x 8.5"), however they did improve their overall performance. Both of these models are designed to support virtually every type of audio source. Right now for instance, I'm trying to figure out how much power my amp needs to provide. Do you think my worries about bass with the monitors above are relevant? There's no obvious place in the room to put a sub (unless I got one of those lil 6.5" subs, or a flat sub maybe), so I'm trying to avoid that. And if you just need a quick one-stop-shop, I get it. So for a simple plug and play fun lifestyle option, the three is a good one. Auf der Website lernst du jene nötigen Infos und unsere Redaktion hat alle Klipsch R-41PM recherchiert. There aren't many products on the market in this range. Klipsch Reference powered speakers deliver room-filling sound without taking up much space thanks to a built-in amplifier that is custom-engineered for these high-performance speakers, maximizing output and sound quality. No reason to spend $400 on Edifiers. If it’s the start of a true stereo, dedicated (distraction free) listening zone then it’s obvious as only one of these offers true stereo sound. What I'm trying to say is that I understand the appeal of buying powered … The simplified cousin of a true active speaker, the powered speaker is usually based on an existing passive model - … Also see that Edifier R1850 are recommended. So passive Klipsch R-15M have 85W continuous power handling. Maybe they'd be nearly as good and cheaper than the R-41PMs plus a small sub? If there’s a chance to combine two or more products in a single chassis, then manufacturers are doing it. I'm not saying it sounds bad, I'm just making the argument that each has their place and each will have their tradeoffs. If you want a digital amp 4" speakers, Jamo_S_801_PM are a better value than the Klipsch. Thanks for that :), How To Match Speakers And Amps | The Master Switch, (Not as confusing as you might think), New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the BudgetAudiophile community. That's why I recommended an amp with less power. The only other brand I saw commonly recommended were the Edifiers. Now the next step for me is trying to figure out what's the right answer. Probably. I don't think you can go wrong with either one but it's great that you can get a chance to listen before you purchase. The most popular one only makes two watts per channel. If I were to get passive speakers, I was looking at the Wavecrest HVL-1s that are highly recommended by sharkamino and the Zeos guy on YouTube. I have found many reviews of both, but nothing comparing them. Personally, having a dedicated speaker/stereo set up and less bass would be what I would go with and then add a sub later if I felt I needed it. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. Seems silly to make assumptions on sound quality :), [–]Slayer95xx 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (4 children). After a bit of googling/videos, I think the answer is an amp that provides 1.5 -2 times the continuous power wattage of your speakers. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Finden Sie hilfreiche Kundenrezensionen und Rezensionsbewertungen für Klipsch R-41PM Lautsprecher Set schwarz auf Amazon.de. The Klipsch R41 PM is a two-way powered speaker of a type that has become increasingly popular in recent years. The Three's low end sounded night and day better. Could you turn the R-51PMs sideways and fit them? Any thoughts? There’s the convenience issue too, of course. Since Klipsch started producing its R-14M model, most of us can get a high sound performance and experience all of the audio details. At the moment, the hi-fi industry is in an all-in-one everything frenzy. Besides, you will get power and versatility in a nice small package which will not cost you a million. It sounded genuinely good. If you're sitting close, you really don't need a lot of power. But I think most of their advantage is due to the stereo separation giving a much more enveloping sound. I had a roommate move out who had a sweet vintage Ohm system and I'm missing it. use the following search parameters to narrow your results: Post stuff relating to Klipsch, Energy, Jamo, or Mirage. I didn't mean that a a larger driver always produces more bass. I'm open to options if you have any recommendations. My listening habits, genre-wise, are literally all over the place. Me too. But the Sony's outclassed them in just about every way … Audio heads whom I've asked advice about this in real life have split. ), [–]wiiver 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (3 children). That is, if we take into account that the drivers are constructed similarly (similar excision capabilities and such) and in a similar environment (ported box, box size, etc.). However, with the R41PMs, you absolutely get the benefit of them being stand alone left and right speakers so the imaging and sound stage will be better. Regarding bass, it may not just be all about diaphragm size, but the R-41PM's lower range ends at 76Hz (plus "dynamic bass extension" of 66Hz @ 35% volume, whatever hat means) versus 45Hz for the Three II, according to the spec sheets. Paul Rigby reviews the R-41PM speakers from Klipsch. Klipsch > R-41PM; R-41PM. The Klipsch clearly won to my ears, even if I did miss some body in the lower frequncies. I own the three as an office set up, and can vouch for its sound quality. The Three sounded really good... but the monitors definitely sound noticeably better than the Three. It's a long floor to ceiling full wall bookshelf with no dividers (I'm a professor, lots of books) and I can place them at any point on it. Good luck! I'm planning to buy them for a midsized room (about 15' x 19'). Compact casing, powerful performance; Integrated phono pre-amp; 4” copper spun magnetically shielded IMG woofer; Find Your Local Retailer. Hey buddy. Make a support ticket. And less dead. If you've looked into DIY amps (which you probably haven't - and shouldn't if you like your wallet), Bottlehead amps will come up often. Klipsch R-41PM Aktivlautsprecher Paar: Amazon.de: Audio & HiFi Wählen Sie Ihre Cookie-Einstellungen Wir verwenden Cookies und ähnliche Tools, um Ihr Einkaufserlebnis zu verbessern, um unsere Dienste anzubieten, um zu verstehen, wie die Kunden unsere Dienste nutzen, damit wir Verbesserungen vornehmen können, und um Werbung anzuzeigen. The monitors really do have anemic bass. "So a few weeks ago I actually picked up both the Klipsch R41M and Sony SS-CS5 on Amazon because they were both on sale, intending to demo both of them and send back the ones I liked least. If I had to choose, R41 if adding a subwoofer, R51 if not. and join one of thousands of communities. Using a cone for both highs and mids is screaming compromise. The R-41M are newer, so they'll sound better. The only bookshelf speakers with a driver that big and total height that small that I've found so far. I am not a bass head and I don't do home theater. How did you decide on these two? Jazz bass lacked warmth. So if I had to buy just one, and couldn't spend any more money, I'd go with the Three. [–]adamzero12[S] 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago* (2 children). Fair. As UK distributors for the brands we represent, our main focus is to give you all the information you need to help assist with your purchase. For powered speakers, I was looking at the Klipsch R-15pm, and the Fluance Ai40 and Fluance Ai60. And I don’t know if the size of the speaker cones makes an audible difference or if this just shows my ignorance, but the two each have a 1” driver and a 4” woofer; the one has 2 x 2.25” drivers and a 5.25” woofer with a passive radiator. Thanks again! The R-41PM powered speakers and the Klipsch R-100SW Subwoofer delivers incredibly deep Bass via a 10" front-firing driver. -- Have patience! I'm in the US. Things like efficiency and tuning play a much larger role than anything. As the shape of our systems changes in response to different items being classed as source equipment, the powered speaker has enjoyed a rise to prominence. Also, I didn't recognize your name so I went to check if you posted here before. I'm trying to figure out how much power my amp needs to provide. That might also have been due to the large showroom though, as it was the case with all the speakers (all similarly sized) that I listened to. What I'm trying to say is that I understand the appeal of buying powered speakers. Definitely been useful to read and I learned a lot. Klipsch Reference powered speakers deliver room-filling sound without taking up much space thanks to a built-in amplifier that is custom-engineered for these high-performance speakers, maximizing output and sound quality. All Klipsch® Certified Factory Refurbished audio products pass the same strict performance standards as our brand-new products and carry little or no blemishes or imperfections. With integrated phono pre-amp, Bluetooth® wireless technology, digital optical, analog RCA and USB inputs, you can finally say goodbye to your clunky A/V receiver. The question you should ask is: what are you looking for? Usually helpful, likely overworked, and almost definitely underpaid. I feel honored that one of your 5 comments refers to me (along with ctfrommn and sharkamino) because we help a lot. Additionally there's the fact that you have two 2.5" "full range" drivers delivering the high frequencies. Feel free to message me (or just reply here) if you need any help or you want me to clear anything else up. Also, each Sonos speaker is plug-in powered--no connection between the two, so they're easy to move around independently (but they sync seamlessly if you want them in the same room). Jetzt zugreifen. But the problem (for me), is that for everything I learn, I have 5 new questions in regards to properly setting up passive speakers. I mean, it depends entirely on your goals here. I am in your scenario. Basically they gave up one of the woofers on the one in order to increase the size of all three diaphragms. Er kann hier seit 2019 bestellt werden. The only other pair that I liked was the Focal Chora 826. This is just my opinion. The industry believes that value sells and that people are also concerned with minimising footprint. Klipsch Reference powered speakers deliver room-filling sound without taking up much space thanks to a built-in amplifier that is custom-engineered for these high-performance speakers, maximizing output and sound quality. I personally have not had any experience with Kantos but I have heard great things about them. 50W? This subreddit is for the budget minded audiophile that wants to grow out of soundbars, boomboxes, mini systems, portable bluetooth and lifestyle speakers, and PC branded audio solutions. --It's like /r/klipsch, only it's a forum that's ran by Klipsch. a 5.25" woofer will be able to go lower than a 4" woofer (typically) Especially when paired to passive radiators. Klipsch Reference powered speakers deliver room-filling sound without taking up much space thanks to a built-in amplifier that is custom-engineered for these high-performance speakers, maximizing output and sound quality. Seems like OP has a bookshelf in mind with some height restrictions.... burying a speaker in a box isn’t ideal. The horn tweeters on the R41PMs will (most likely) be more detailed due to the fact that they are actual tweeters and not just smaller cones. 130W? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, Bookshelf speakers don't go on a bookshelf. Your question may already be answered, or your problem already solved. [–]adamzero12[S] 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago* (0 children). Not sure where you got that from, but probably not. With integrated phono pre-amp, Bluetooth® wireless technology, digital optical, analog RCA and USB inputs, you can finally say goodbye to your clunky A/V receiver. If you can't, the 41s will be a good choice as you can always add a small subwoofer later if the bass feels lacking. 12W? [–]wiiver 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (5 children), Have you heard the three? When I read consumer reviews, some find the R-41PM's lower range weak, or its horn a bit strident, but others disagree. -- Buy Klipsch stuff directly from the source. [–]adamzero12[S] 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (4 children). but it was clear as day to me: if you listen to any music with a low end, it's lacking. Sometimes it'll be distraction free listening, but most of the time it'll be background music while I work, and maybe occasionally it'll be turned up for a little living room party. If you are interested, Andrew Robinson does excellent reviews on youtube and has done one for those exact speakers. £399.00. But the Klipsch R-15PM (powered version) come with 50W amplifiers built in. Have you heard them? But what I've found so far are (and now need to choose among, sigh): Episode Evolution 6" 240W peak/100W RMS https://www.snapav.com/shop/en/snapav/episode-reg%3B-evolution-series-powered-subwoofer, https://www.volutone.com/EPISODE-EVOLUTION-SERIES-6-SEALED-SUB-W240W-AMP-GW-P27019.aspx $120, Kanto SUB6 6" 200W peak/100W RMS https://www.amazon.com/Kanto-6-inch-Powered-Subwoofer-Matte/dp/B076FJ4LM6 $190, Acoustic Audio PSW-6 Down Firing Powered Subwoofer 250W peak https://www.amazon.com/Acoustic-Audio-PSW-6-Powered-Subwoofer/dp/B00KGA6A8A/ $90, Fostex PM SubMini2 50-Watt 5-Inch https://www.amazon.com/Fostex-USA-PM-SUBMINI-2-Auto-Standby-SUB-Mini-2/dp/B01KODPRQO, https://www.fostexinternational.com/docs/archive_products/PM-SUBmini.shtml $150. And I would step up to the R-51PM for sure, except they're too tall for the spacing on my bookshelf, sadly (and I can't alter that). So my amp probably needs to provide anywhere from 130W to 170W. I’d also wager it would provide more bass than the 41s, it just seems voiced that way. More decision paralysis. For a desktop setup, that is plenty, especially if you get something that is pretty efficient. I think we are all interested to know. The bass hits on a dance track or hip hop sound like a piece of wood hitting a raw steak. [–]adamzero12[S] 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago* (1 child). It will take time and effort to make it look good and to set it all up. In a smaller room (instead of the giant room I was in), the reflections might also make the Three sound almost as good. REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 18375 on r2-app-0b093753b8a20fc01 at 2021-02-13 16:36:13.841925+00:00 running 2d21a00 country code: US. (I'll be playing music off my computer via Bluetooth and off a raspberry pi music server that I'll wire up. And polypeptide recommended an amp that provides 20W, and apparently 12W at the 8ohm resistance, which is the resistance of the Klipsch R-15M. If you don't particularly care about upgrades or you don't think you'll ever need to use it somewhere else or you don't care about features or whatever, they make sense. This Klipsch R-14M monitor speaker is performing beautifully as left, right, center or surround. Have you considered passive and an amp or other powered speaker brands? [–]Slayer95xx 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children). I purchased them with my own money, with no discount. They are also angled back for desktop use so you would need to prop them forward for room listening or place them lower to the ground than … Both are currently $300 direct from Klipsch. If OP is placing them on bookshelf near the end he of the shelf and has them separated by quite a bit, they can still get good results. I'm happy to do so. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. How To Buy. And stereo separation is great obviously, but for proper imaging you need some consideration for placement. One stop shop, good speakers, looks great, plug and play, built in bluetooth capabilities, less clutter on a pc desk, don't have to worry about amps, watts, resistance. I ended up returning them and getting these bad boys.. [–]wiiver 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (1 child). I'm researching what affordable subs would fit into my 9" deep shelves. Lesen Sie ehrliche und unvoreingenommene Rezensionen von unseren Nutzern. They'll just seem to fill the room more if you separate them adequately over the threes, [–]adamzero12[S] 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (5 children). When I played things real loud and stepped back a bit, the advantage got much less, maybe disappeared. So, the monitors sound *good*. They are probably cones and there is no way that those are more accurate or extend higher than a 1" metal dome tweeter loaded in a horn. I agree with you on both of those. But the Klipsch R-15PM (powered version) come with 50W amplifiers built in. Newegg has the 51s for $329 right now and the 41s for $299, that's why I was asking. The better Klipsch are the Reference Premiere, passive, and are said to be less fatiguing. And comments on larger driver size = more bass is hardly a rule. Rendered by PID 18375 on r2-app-0b093753b8a20fc01 at 2021-02-13 16:36:13.841925+00:00 running 2d21a00 country code: US. I think you’ll be happy with the r41, seems like that’s the direction you’re headed in. [–]adamzero12[S] 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (1 child). A metal dome horn with a 4" woofer will do better with highs than the "full range" driver. Compact and fun, are the R-51M's a worthwhile evolution over the product it replaces? Klipsch R-41PM. Out of curiosity, when you said you could get them for the same price, how much is that? If it were me, I'd probably go with the larger monitors like the Kantos and skip the sub. Here is a picture of them. [–]wiiver 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (5 children). Klipsch is bluetooth that, at least in my house, stutters occasionally, and if you're playing from your phone, means no music when a call comes in. They're people too. Klipsch R-41PM Regallautsprecher. They may have similar footprints, but if you want to get the most out of the bookshelves you’ll want to have some healthy separation between monitors to get the benefits of stereo separation and I didn’t have the space for it. The Three seems to be a lifestyle product with the convenience and electronics first, with the sound quality being second. [–]Slayer95xx 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago* (4 children). Micca MB42X on the left, Klipsch R-51M in the middle, Elac Debut 2.0 B6.2 on the right, for comparison. If you don’t like the bass reproduction, add a sub. The Klipsch R-41PM speakers are designed to work with a subwoofer, but even without, they offer powerful audio from both wired and wireless sound sources. Here they are next to a lot of other speakers. After a bit of googling/videos, I think the answer is an amp that provides 1.5 -2 times the continuous power wattage of your speakers. But it'll likely take me at least another 1.5 weeks before I'm comfortable knowing enough to commit to the passive setup. Same as the rest of my reviews though, I will not be biased. The larger the cone, the more bass is created and the lower it can go. For $300, neither. They're really popular. The three will just be as easy as setting it on a shelf and done. -- Check here first before making a support ticket. Regardless of room size and genre of music, what are you hoping to get out of this system? That the considerations seem so balanced on each side have added considerably to my normal indecision! Take my heresy 4s as an example - with a 12” woofer - on paper doesn’t dig as deep as the three does. Let's find out! Update: I went to the store today, which was nicely empty, hooked them both up to Bluetooth, and drive the employees out of their minds for two hours as I switched back and forth from device to device, playing a variety of types of music and sine wave frequency sweeps, at every volume. I bought the Klipsch-41pm speakers at first and listened to them for a few days.. i felt like they were lacking in the lower end area. [–]Slayer95xx 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (12 children). Guides: Desktop: Get Those Speakers Off Your Desktop and Pitch-perfect Placement: How to Set Up Your Desktop Speakers. The truth is, for close setups, it really doesn't matter. If you’re a bass head you’ll likely want a sub to fill in for the 41s. What I'm trying to say is that I understand the appeal of buying powered speakers. I would not consider them without a sub. You might argue that this is foolish, that a 6" woofer ain't worth the effort, but I think it would round out where the monitors are lacking. Klipsch R-41PM Active Speaker Pair: Amazon.de: MP3 & Hifi Select Your Cookie Preferences We use cookies and similar tools to enhance your shopping experience, to provide our services, understand how customers use our services so we can make improvements, and display ads. Now the next step for me is trying to figure out what's the right answer. Jetzt bei Klipsch einkaufen Thanks Slayer! So for some, great sound with less fuss for a background application may be the better choice. I ask because the step up to the R-51PM would definitely be worth it and from what I can see it is $30 more. No, but if you think about it, placing a speaker on the left side of the room and one on the right will provide more of that "room filling" effect than having just one source.
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